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ElusiveStranger
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Fan and thermostat operation Reply with quote

I borrowed a digital temperature gauge, very accurate and calibrated. Water boiled in a pan at 100.3°C

I attached this to my water manifold where the heater outlet is.
Fired up the engine and allowed the temp to get up. My bus gauge/Subaru sender is approx 16-20° too low reading. I have ordered another sender, it's not a BSPT but NPT but I've been assured it will be fine.

Anyway. I watched the temperature rise on the digital. You can really see the thermostat starts to open at 76.

My fan however comes on at 85°C. The manual says it should operate at 95° - any ideas as to why?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea but be careful with the NPT thread. It will fit but its a taper thread so when it goes tight dont try and wind the sender unit in to much or you will crack the manifold.
All the Autometer stuff uses NPT threads and its quality kit.

Hope I'm not teaching anyone to suck egg's, just trying to save you a lot of money and hassel
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers CC.
I'd already bought the gauge, read on Aussie's that it worked with the Subaru sender.
It either doesn't, dodgy sender or I've got a dodgy gauge.

I got your mail BTW, fingers crossed for Friday/Sat.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok mate, I'll be up on Saturday during the day so maybe see you then Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your fan controled from the ECU or from a thermo switch on the radiator itself?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

72_bay_simon wrote:
Is your fan controled from the ECU or from a thermo switch on the radiator itself?


ECU controlled. I swapped the ECU sensor yesterday and it still operates at 85°C Which means the engine is being overcooled. I believe the normal operating temp is IRO 85-90°C
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I supose the simplest solution is to control it from a seperate thermo switch. Kenlowe sell an adjustable one that slips inside the top hose if your rad dosent have a position to fit one.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

72_bay_simon wrote:
I supose the simplest solution is to control it from a seperate thermo switch. Kenlowe sell an adjustable one that slips inside the top hose if your rad dosent have a position to fit one.


Well that's an option. I really want to do it properly though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm maybe they all do that sir? Just that no one else has ever bothered to measure it? Im afraid I cant help as I use a TSR rad with a temperature switch. I have measured that and know it opens at about 90 and closes at about 85
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

72_bay_simon wrote:
Hmmmm maybe they all do that sir?


LOL Happy

Nope they're deffo ment to come on at 95°C.

I only have a manual for a 2002 Imp, the fan operation is governed by VSS as well as eng temp on that model. Adding air con changes things too. I dunno if this is the same for mine - 97/98.

I don't have VSS or aircon (I don't know if the doner did though)

275 mile drive in her tomorrow Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey dude

I have a spare genuine subaru sender in a spare manifold if you want it. From a 94 2.2. Yours for whatever the postage is.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beetleseb wrote:
Hey dude

I have a spare genuine subaru sender in a spare manifold if you want it. From a 94 2.2. Yours for whatever the postage is.

Seb

Thanks for the offer Seb.

I think I've sussed my problem. I need VSS big time.

I've just been to Devon and back (just for kicks). My ign cuts on cruising, not funny at 90 in the third lane.
I'm sure my ECU needs VSS now & that it also controls the temperature that the fan switches.

Here's a screen dump from the 2002 manual (mine's a 97-98 though)


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